大众媒体又爆了个医疗“红包黑幕” 看完真有点哭笑不得!

2016-01-06 王建秀 奇点网

今天,奇点糕看了一篇题为《惊见医生做手术索要巨额“红包”!经视大调查记者全程实录“专家跑场费”始末》的文章,大致是说有患者向媒体举报,认为湖南常德市第四人民医院所请的外院医生私自收取费用7000元,属于巨额收红包的行为,没有收据也没有发票。事情发生的背景是,该院需要给一名肾结石患者进行手术,由于患者病情严重,必须从大医院请教授过来主刀。而这7000元就是给主刀教授的“专家跑场费”,该教授当天还在医

今天,奇点糕看了一篇题为《惊见医生做手术索要巨额“红包”!经视大调查记者全程实录“专家跑场费”始末》的文章,大致是说有患者向媒体举报,认为湖南常德市第四人民医院所请的外院医生私自收取费用7000元,属于巨额收红包的行为,没有收据也没有发票。事情发生的背景是,该院需要给一名肾结石患者进行手术,由于患者病情严重,必须从大医院请教授过来主刀。而这7000元就是给主刀教授的“专家跑场费”,该教授当天还在医院有同样的六台手术。

“专家跑场”这个让大家再也熟悉不过的事情,被社会媒体当作揭黑的事情来抓,真是有点悲哀!无论它叫会诊也好、飞刀也好,其实本质都是医生利用空余时间来做手术。一开始政策并不允许这种行为,但后来医院开始制定院外会诊制度,允许医生备案后到外院做手术,被称之为“会诊”,偷偷溜出去做手术的被称为“飞刀”。

存在即是合理。在现实中,邀请大医院到小医院来做手术是有市场需求的。首先,很多二三线城市医院、县级没有能力解决疑难手术。会诊手术不但解决了手术问题,甚至还能帮助医院建立、发展新的学科,这也是国家分级诊疗政策所支持的。另外,患者通过自己的力量见不到大专家,会诊还省去了患者和家属去城市大医院路费、时间、精力等成本。最后,要想实现“大病不出县”等公立医院改革目标,会诊是把患者留在区域内诊疗的最好的方式。

其实,这是一件多方共赢的事儿。如果请不来这个会诊医生,那么患者只能乖乖回家,或者再花上几万元的路费、住宿费、关系费见到大医院的专家。如果请不来这个会诊医生,小医院只能继续在自闭中前进,无法通过这种方式提高医疗水平。

既然有需求,那就会产生交易、产生价格,大专家付出了自己的时间、精力,还冒着医疗安全的风险,给多少合适呢?不同专家有不同的水平、有不同的优先级安排,不同手术难度也不同,出的价格也不一样,这又怎么收费呢?

按照国家规定,这个问题还真是凉拌。公立医院会诊是由物价部门制定的。以湖南省为例,该省院际会诊主任医师级别每次260~300元不等,外埠会诊(省外专家)加收一倍,每次520~600元不等。

这样的价格,显然是请不来医生的。如此定价方式不分难度、不分病种一律等价,无法体现优质医疗资源的劳动价值。价格过低、长期不变,不能反映患者和医院对会诊的需求,不能反映患者对优质医疗资源的需求。于是,在灰色地段,患者、医生、医院形成了天然市场和服务价格。患者的需求通过“地下”灰色交易被满足了,医生得到了符合劳动价值的收入。目前,邀请专家会诊做手术的费用基本在5000~10000元之间,并且长期存在。

飞刀红包,这个一直处于灰色地带的问题触痛了我们政策的痛点:首先,医疗服务中许多真实的需求被忽略了,政策调整步伐缓慢,不仅跟不上需求的发展,也跟不上经济的发展。第二,医生人力资源流动这个事实长期是存在的,但我们总是不愿意承认它;灰色交易当中产生的价格一直存在,但却不敢面对背后的需求,总是想躲、总是想藏,总是说医疗行业是特殊的行业,总是用道德绑架来解决这个问题。

未来,随着多点执业备案制度越来越开放,医疗人力资源流动是大势所趋,医生利用空余时间到其他医院做手术的机会也将越来越多。医疗服务价格改革也必须遵循“患者需求决定医疗价格”这个大原则。如果不能正视这条经济规律,医疗服务价格改革的腾笼换鸟只能是一场骗骗人的游戏罢了,更不用谈什么阳光收入;而患者和社会也永远不明白,为什么请一个专家来看病还要再掏一份儿钱。

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    谁之错

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    2016-01-27 I come

    关注

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    2016-01-27 I come

    好好讨论

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    2016-01-26 doctording1

    这个值得关注!

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    2016-01-07 sword20000

    汽车4s店保养一次上千,人命都没宠物值钱

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    2016-01-07 shyni

    立场太极端

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    我国对医生医院定位都错了

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    2016-01-07 1dd79d49m70(暂无匿称)

    医生靠技术吃饭,有本事你别找医生

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