医改案例:医联体的C市经验:谁得益?谁受损?

2017-01-05 中国社科院公共政策中心 (publicpolicycass) 昝馨 朱凤梅 中国社科院公共政策研究中心 昝馨 朱凤

导语:当当当,新年钟声敲响,新医改正式迈入第八个年头。最好的迎新方式,莫过于检讨下过去的得失,以校正未来的计划。过去的一年,推进分级诊疗体系建设是件头等大事。各项举措之中,“医联体”一度是希望之星,通过大医院帮扶小医院,增强基层实力,让患者自愿下沉,愿望十分美好。但现实却是大医院不断抽干小医院,虹吸患者、医生,各地医保基金频现危机,患者就医负担不降反升。好好的“互助合作”,变成了大鱼吃小鱼。实

导语:当当当,新年钟声敲响,新医改正式迈入第八个年头。最好的迎新方式,莫过于检讨下过去的得失,以校正未来的计划。

过去的一年,推进分级诊疗体系建设是件头等大事。各项举措之中,“医联体”一度是希望之星,通过大医院帮扶小医院,增强基层实力,让患者自愿下沉,愿望十分美好。但现实却是大医院不断抽干小医院,虹吸患者、医生,各地医保基金频现危机,患者就医负担不降反升。好好的“互助合作”,变成了大鱼吃小鱼。

实践结果与政策设计完全跑偏,问题在目标还是手段,我们再问再思。公号新年首更,捧出一篇案例分析,力图用最通俗的语言,让你不烧脑就做明白人。

我们在C市的调研发现,“医联体”成为了三甲医院变相扩张、寻找稳定病人来源的绿色通道,即大医院依靠强大的资源汲取能力,将更多的患者从基层吸引到大医院,与国家建立分级诊疗体系的目标逆向而行。

卫生部门一直将“医联体”作为建立分级诊疗体系的重要工具之一,认为将医疗机构联合在一起,就可以让患者从医院向下流转。然而,在目前体制不改的情况下,大医院吸引更多病人的扩张动力不会改变,即便其中存在一些低收益的患者,但患者进入大医院就医后,自己不愿转出,大医院也别无他法。最终形成的局面是:患者无论轻重,都向大医院进一步聚集。习近平总书记指出的大医院“战时状态”,只会加剧,不会减轻。

一、C市组建“医联体”的做法

目前,全国各地组建“医联体”的做法,主要是以三级大医院为龙头,与二级医院、基层医疗机构组成医疗联合体。三级医院定期派驻医生往二级医院及基层坐诊,而二级医院及基层的医生往三级医院轮训。

可以说,全国的做法,多数以临床医疗服务的“联合”为主,但由于下派医生缺乏激励,去基层坐诊往往因为所在医院的行政指令,而非本人意愿,往往是应付差事,而在三级医院的基层医生短期培训,也很难真正提高水平、获得患者信任,导致这一做法徒有虚名,没有实效。

C市比这种普遍做法要更进一步,不仅要求医务人员上下轮转,也要求城市三级医院向县级医院下派管理人员,相当于将二级医院交给三级医院托管,三级医院按一定标准收取托管费用。

以C市X县为例,X县人民医院交由省人民医院托管,建立“省、县、乡(镇)三级医疗卫生一体化服务协同体系”。托管费收取标准为县人民医院医疗收入(不含药品收入)增长部分的10%,省人民医院承诺加强县医院学科建设、提高服务能力等。

C市还设计了一系列配套政策,希望加强“医联体”的紧密联合,如在县级综合医院建立影像集中诊断中心、心电集中诊断中心、基层医学检验、集中检查等项目,将检查结果集中送往大医院确诊,虽然其意图在于将检查化验等业务留在县级医院,减少大医院拥堵,但无形中也在加强患者对大医院的心理依赖;医保付费方面,X县规定,“医联体”内自上往下转诊,下级医疗机构不再计算起付标准,直接医保接续报销,希望引导患者自愿下沉,但也难以如愿。

X县的相关人员告诉我们,“医联体”运行至今,形成了上转容易、下转难的局面,2014年从省转回县的病例仅13例,主要为老年慢性病患者。即便在县乡两级,县级医院的患者也不愿意再向乡级机构下沉。

我们同时访谈了一些参与“医联体”建设的城市三级医院。院长对我们坦言,牵头形成“医联体”的一大动力就在于吸引下面县乡的患者,与其他三级医院竞争。同时,也通过“医联体”寻找下级医疗机构中的管理与临床人才,将优秀的人才向上虹吸,但这显然会带来对患者的虹吸。

可以说,“医联体”已经演变成大医院重分势力范围、从基层汲取医生、汲取患者的捷径。依托“医联体”来建立提升基层医疗服务能力的长效运行机制,毫无可能。

二、三级医院独大,医保基金可持续性堪忧

优质医疗资源在三级大医院聚集,势必带来患者向三级大医院聚集,看病既难且贵,违背改革方向。

2014年,C市城镇职工医保统筹基金支出中,超过六成对三级医院支付;城乡居民医保基金支出,对三级医院的支付也接近四成。两类医保在三级医院的政策补偿比例为85%和50%—65%,但实际补偿比例仅为62.1%和36.8%。

而医保参保人的百人住院率还在逐年上升。2014年,C市城镇职工住院率为18.5%,城乡居民医保住院率为16.4%,而上述组建了医联体的X县,城镇职工的住院率竟然高达28%,可推断存在明显的医疗机构诱导住院或分解住院的情况。

这不仅加重患者负担,也加重医保基金的支出负担。C市城镇职工医保基金的累计结余水平虽然处于20个月以上,暂时未现穿底危机,但已经出现逐年下降的趋势。而城乡居民医保基金2012年、2014年均已出现收不抵支。

从控制医疗费用支出的角度,控制三级医院扩张是短期内政策的首要选择。然而,我们在调研中了解,C市市属公立大医院仍然有扩张动力,除依托“医联体”改革名义外,当地政府也仍然鼓励三级医院自身扩大规模、增加床位、新建院区,将基础设施建设作为拉动当地GDP增长的一种路径。

但这种做法,长期来看,后患无穷。一方面,三级医院扩张会带来费用进一步高速增长,医保基金压力巨大,财政潜在负担沉重;另一方面,政府划拨土地等无形支持,加剧了非公立医疗机构与公立大医院竞争的不公平,也加剧了公立大医院的垄断地位,医院诱导住院、分解住院,更加有恃无恐,医保管控能力严重受限。

三、基于C市调研的政策建议


“医联体”的政策本意,在于实现“小病在社区,大病在医院”。然而,现实操作中,“医联体”帮助大医院在基层社区中建立了更多的“挂号窗口”,方便了患者进一步向上聚集,也加剧了居民看病难、看病贵的问题。

要从根源上将患者留在社区,首先需要承认的现实是,患者永远跟着医生走。患者可信任的医生只要还聚集在公立大医院,患者就一定向公立大医院聚集。分级诊疗体系建立的要义,在于将医生从公立大医院中解放出来,让市场也就是患者的需求来引导医生资源配置,而不是通过大医院的行政指令分派医生。

由此,我们建议如下:


第一,修正“医联体”的现有做法。等级化的公立医疗机构,即便应政策要求而联合,也不会改变高等级医院的垄断强势地位,低等级医疗机构在“医联体”中成为大医院“抽水机”的格局势必形成。减弱高等级医疗机构的虹吸能力,需要将高等级医院的医生从中解放,向外流转。

考虑到改革成本和改革阻力,我们建议,可以在保留现有公立大医院医生事业编制身份、退休待遇不变的情况下,鼓励医生专职或兼职开设私人诊所、承包城市社区、门诊部、探索开设手术中心等多种样态的新型医疗机构,通过医生外流带动患者从大医院外流。

第二,医保支付应有配套措施,以支持医生在公立大医院外开展执业,如建立医保医师制度,将医保定点资格从医疗机构延伸至医生个人。凡具有医保医师资质的医生,无论在哪里执业,患者都可享受医保待遇。违规者由医保管理机构惩戒,严重者暂停甚至取消医保医师资格,以此保证医生诊疗行为的规范。

第三,医疗卫生财政投入是为了增加全社会的福祉,而不是帮助公立大医院进一步的扩张和垄断。我们建议财政投入在保持经常性投入不变的情况下,重点投入医保基金,通过患者“用脚投票”,激励医疗机构和医生加强服务能力,优胜劣汰,也冲击乃至打破垄断。


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    真正的背道而驰!想想,当初这些政策是真正学医多年从医者推出的吗?解决就医问题,绕过医生群体性的实质体验,只以病人为中心,真真可笑。

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    2017-01-07 dhzzm

    真的说不清楚,只要是商业运行,看病贵可能难解决……

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    2017-01-07 tidiq
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    2017-01-06 1e1db66am67(暂无匿称)

    大前提已定:医疗投入不增加。还是原来的大饼。各方利益博弈中,普通的医护是最弱的一方,还要继续扮演背锅侠。给的三条建议对调动医务人员积极性没有帮助。医生自己开诊所,以目下低廉的诊疗费养活不了医生,还得以药养医。目前医院不是医护人员的代表,医院大了,不表明医护的收入高。

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    2017-01-06 1e1cdca3m97(暂无匿称)

    谁受益,心里。。

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    2017-01-05 医张生

    说穿了一个字“钱”。二个字“利益”。医疗公益化了,看病不要钱,一切都好说。关系到?利益,无论你怎么样改,到时候证明都是耍流氓。

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    2017-01-05 西风染林

    而且有个问题——医技医生的收入没有办法提高,始终偏低,这也是一个尖锐问题。

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    2017-01-05 西风染林

    但是我有个问题,这边三点措施对于临床来说是极大的好事,但第三点并不容易实现,很难!这问题如何解决么?

    0

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    2017-01-05 西风染林

    第二点很棒!

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