终于摸清美国医生收入构成了!

2016-10-10 陈勇 “医学界”微信号

导语:自由竞争不可能出现漫天要价,只有垄断才可能漫天要价!前年回国,与国内一位医生朋友谈起了医生收入。他问我美国医生的收入是怎么算的。我说简单来说就四个字——按件计酬,看一个病人就收一份诊金,诊金一般为30到300美元。做一次手术就收一次手术费,比如阑尾炎的手术费是800美元。这些收入完全归医生所有,医院不得截留。这些费用也是在医院工作的医生的唯一收入来源,患者的其他付费,如药费、检查费、床位费则

导语:自由竞争不可能出现漫天要价,只有垄断才可能漫天要价!


前年回国,与国内一位医生朋友谈起了医生收入。他问我美国医生的收入是怎么算的。我说简单来说就四个字——按件计酬,看一个病人就收一份诊金,诊金一般为30到300美元。做一次手术就收一次手术费,比如阑尾炎的手术费是800美元。这些收入完全归医生所有,医院不得截留。


这些费用也是在医院工作的医生的唯一收入来源,患者的其他付费,如药费、检查费、床位费则与医生没有任何关系。朋友说这样挺好,比我们从药品器械上想钱直接多了,为了赚钱,得动多少心思啊。


美国大部分医生自己开诊所。看一个病人,病人就付一份诊金,当然不是病人直接支付,有经济能力的人都会购买医疗保险,费用会由保险公司支付,病情不同,诊金也不一样。如果是小病,比如感冒,诊金可能就是30美元,如果病情复杂比如急腹症,可能要200美元。如果需要做检查,比如彩超、拍片等,保险公司则要另外付费。还有,保险公司不同,付费金额也不同,比如政府的穷人保险诊金是29美元,蓝十字付费为69美元。另外诊所的服务也是影响收费的重要因素,我的同事带孩子看儿科,每次诊金300美元,因为这个诊所不用候诊,医生态度很好,耐心检查解释,病人愿意多花钱获得这样的服务。当然,诊金高,医生收入未必高,花大钱买服务的患者毕竟是少数。唐人街的一些诊所诊金比较低,但病人多,医生是靠量维持收入。


如果病人需住院,情况要复杂点。住院后,还是由诊所医生负责(即我们说的家庭医生),家庭医生每天会到医院查房一次,下医嘱。其余时间则由医院的住院医生负责,当然也有主治医生值二线班。如果病人在住院期间异常,简单的情况住院医生处置,如果拿不准,会与家庭医生联系。至于诊治费用,保险公司会付给家庭医生诊金和医院的住院费,比如护士费、床位费、检查费、药费等。


外科医生大多选择自己开诊所,做手术时医生会把病人带到医院,外科医生收取手术费,医院收取住院费。


保险公司按病种付费,比如阑尾切除术,住院费13123美元,外科医生手术费959美元;心脏搭桥,住院费50000美元,外科医生手术费3700美元;髋关节置换术,住院费35000美元,外科医生费2800美元。医生对病人的服务并非手术结束就完事了。


以剖腹产为例,通常保险公司付给医生的费用是3000美元,这个费用包括孕妇怀胎10月的检查费用(而仪器使用费如彩超、化验另付)、手术费、术后复诊费,直到产妇完全康复。病人选择哪家医院做手术,是由手术医生决定的。因此,医院千方百计让医生把病人带到自己这里来,满足医生提出的各种条件,这也充分发挥了医生在治疗中的主导地位。


美国医生用什么药,要考虑患者投保公司的支付情况,总费用就那么多,用的药就不能太贵,在保证治疗的情况下,尽可能用便宜药,否则医院要不来保险费,就会亏本。比如无菌手术预防感染的药,一般是比较便宜的先锋五号,手术的材料也是一样,选择标准是物美价廉。


诊金也好,手术费也好,一般都有个市场价,不需要每个医生和保险公司谈判。这个市场定价是由供求关系决定的,医生少了,病人多了,医生忙不过来的时候,是可以要求保险公司增加付费的,否则可以拒绝病人——他们是保险公司的付费会员。


反之,医生多了,保险公司也可以减少付费。当然如果医生觉得自己的手术做得漂亮,也可以要求增加付费。我就认识不少优秀的医生,他们不跟保险公司签合同,到他们那里做手术的病人全部自费,这个费用是一般医生的好几倍,甚至10倍以上,尽管如此,还是门庭若市。一位同事给患者做了肩关节内窥镜回旋肌腱撕裂修补术,别的医生和保险公司签订合同的收费是2500美元,他收费9000美元。没办法,人家的水平值这个价。


美国没有物价局这个机构,如果美国政府设立这么一个机构来对医疗价格进行管制,以达到降低医疗费用的目的,不但徒劳,而且愚蠢,是给自己找麻烦。


一个简单的诊金,医生和保险公司经常争得面红耳赤,甚至剑拔弩张,一方说不增加诊金就拒绝保险公司的病人,另一方说如果不降低诊金就取消合同。美国人相信市场规律,政府不来蹚这浑水。


再说,医疗服务项目浩如烟海,收费项目自然也多,护理费、吸痰费、导尿费、注射费、监护费、床位费、拍片费、CT费、磁共振费、彩超费、会诊费、造影费、气管插管费、胸腔穿刺费等,有人统计过,共有4000多项,谁能给出一个合理的价格?按照全成本法调查,取数、分摊、归类、加总、平均、定价,这大概是一个医疗行业的“三峡工程”,这个调查成本又是多少呢?美国政府不会做这些无用功,所谓合理、公平是不存在的,美国人认为市场即公平。


有人说了,如果政府不对医院进行价格管制,医院会不会漫天要价呢?毕竟看病是“刚需”。我想看病再刚需也刚需不过吃饭,按照同样的逻辑,农民在卖粮食的时候为什么不漫天要价呢?一个阑尾炎手术,正常手术费是1000,你想收1万,你就真能得到1万吗?到时候别说是1000,恐怕连1块也得不到!自由竞争不可能出现漫天要价,只有垄断才可能漫天要价!

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    2016-10-11 右脚梅西

    很好,谢谢,很有帮助。

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    2016-10-11 186****0580(小山羊)

    学习了,谢谢了!

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    2016-10-11 医路开来

    谢谢分享,

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    2016-10-11 医路开来

    学习啦,

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    2016-10-11 inter158

    哈哈这个刚在医学论坛报上看到

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    2016-10-11 1e1442cfm88(暂无匿称)

    关于住院费用医疗费用保险报销及购买,咨询我

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    2016-10-11 1e1442cfm88(暂无匿称)

    如果有谁咨询保险方面,加我微信13320851800

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